koito17 8 hours ago

Unrelated to the article, but the scope ID in IPv6 addresses is super useful for the networking software I write.

The socket API for IPv4 requires a strange ceremony of calling if_nametoindex to map an interface name to an index then setting IP_BOUND_IF in order to bind a socket to a particular network interface. (Sorry, this only works on BSD and Mac OS; Linux instead uses SO_BINDTODEVICE for whatever reason).

When you don't supply a network interface, the OS "helpfully" guesses an interface, and that interface is usually the wrong one for multicast and broadcast packets.

I made a PXE boot server in Rust recently, and I lost at least 30 minutes of my time figuring out why DHCP responses wouldn't be receieved by an EFI client. The problem was that 255.255.255.255:68 is inherently ambiguous when multiple network interfaces exist.

In the case of the IPv6 API, you have to specify the interface up front (e.g. ff05::1:3%en0) or else you won't even be able to send a packet. I used to find this design tedious, but I prefer writing scope IDs explicitly in an address rather than having libc (or my own code) iterate over a linked list provided by the kernel to get an integer then supply that integer to a setsockopt (and remember that Linux has a quirk here).

majke 9 hours ago

Falsehoods programmers think about addresses:

- parsing addresses is well defined (try parsing ::1%3)

- since 127.0.0.2 is on loopback, ::2 surely also would be

- interface number on Linux is unique

- unix domain socket names are zero-terminated (abstract are not)

- sin6_flowinfo matters (it doens;t unless you opt-in with setsockopt)

- sin6_scope_id matters (it doesn't unless on site-local range)

(I wonder if scope_id would work on ipv4-mapped-IPv6, but if I remember right I checked and it didn't)

- In ipv4, scope_id doesnt exist (true but it can be achieved by binding to interface)

and so on...

Years ago I tried to document all the quirks I knew about https://idea.popcount.org/2019-12-06-addressing/

  • namibj 4 hours ago

    It's sad that the only other loopback v6's appear to be v4's /8 in the form mapped into a slice of v7 address space

  • o11c 7 hours ago

    You can use ::ffff:127.0.0.2 for most purposes, but you can't ping it.

WatchDog 8 hours ago

Another day, another reason ipv6 should have been ipv4 with more bits.